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• Things are dragging out but progress is good | due diligence | veryfie id |
• Concrete questions:
| we used normal concrete with some additives | fibers | plastifier | looked at roman concrete | what is roman concrete is clear | little exact mix instructions | lot of mystics about it | increasing strength in saltwater | is saltwater destroying normal modern concrete ? - perception | special additives needed ? | flyash | napoli volcanoe ash | secret ? | long term new compounds | crack healing | electric protection | fields of research | budget |
Hello Rudi,
In a nutshell additives, make litte difference in the long term durability of a concrete structure.
Roman concrete is only a topic due to the surprising fact how close the romans came to do stuff that is almost at the same level as modern concrete.
Now you can get a “media effect” by postulating “even better” but those studies are going for the media effect not the scientific facts.
Same thing with the “secret roman ingredient lost in time” a nice storytelling - but little engineering relevance.
Destilling the facts portland cement is as good and rather better than the romans - the only problem you need to look after is spalling - good embedding of the rebar is paramount.
The reason why there are not that many studies is, all problems where investigated and solved in the 70 ties
We know already that standard concrete works perfect in the high seas - This is why P.K. Metha postulates the age of oceanic concrete structures - dominating the 21st century
If you get spalling you had " idiots at work " no secret about that.
The engineering baseline is settled. Writing more paper on a known matter is futile and does not get you an artice into a engineering magazine…
Now of course when talking to the public we keep talking of our secret seasteading formula ( like coca cola) to leverage the press and keep competition out…we also keep to give fancy names to our stuff … why not… at the end it is about narrative…
If you decide to go for a “tubular structure” instead of the “underpinned street” you might consider a construction process similar to the pipe laying of the Solitaire.
As you can see from the “beam under load photo” a concrete tube can form the S curve required for that process …
As we crank out floating structure on the watersurface instead pipe on the ocean bottom the S is much more moderate and the whole process much easier… a barge will do it…
| a slab of floating rock to build a hut on it | cartagena | video
| cartagena | a piece of light floating honeycomb structure | the wall thickness of the divisions is 4mm | this is obviously something that can not be built by your typical concrete contractor who is used to cast walls of 30 cm thickness with rebar in them |
It is of essence to let clear, that part of what we do is “unique” and “propietary technology” that can not be subject to " get offers from different providers and then pick the cheaper one"
Argument: there is only ONE provider on the planet who is qualified and knowledgeable in "floating-rock™ " and “Termite-Tech™” technology - which are the solutions for colonizing the oceans…
The cost base is : The same building volume that would cost USD 1000 on land, costs only USD 330 on the water.
It makes no big difference if we talk about building a house or a road, it also does not make a difference what “shape” the build has. (The only thing that really counts is building volume)
So the way to get a pricetag for a floating construction is to “pull the real estate comps” take a similar build on land that is compareable in building nature and building volume - cut 2/3 of the total project price for " cost of code gridlock and interference" and you will have a adequate budget to build it on the water.
Get the price you would have to pay on land - and offer 1/3 you will be about ok with the project budget.
For a ring street around a floating city the asphalt where the cars drive obviously cost the same as in a land road - if the concrete plate under the asphalt is 30 cm it is a different thing than a plate that has 60 cm - it costs the double - on land and on water.
The budget you use in a road for buying up the land, bulldozing the landscape, bring in a gravel bed to recieve the concrete plate, is in general much more than you will use on the water to build a adequate honeycomb floating structure to recieve your concrete plate and asphalt.
So if the spec “needs to hold the weight of a tank” means a 60 cm plate you need to factor that in.
The drivers of this cost difference:
On the water you do not need to buy for the building lot | you are not subject to city building codes | your workplace logistics is not stuck in morning traffic | it is easy to move workshops and materials and heavy items around which allows for a more efficient setup | cement comes in ship from a global source - not from a monopolized local cement plant |
Code Conformity - the tragic irony of the concrete canoe comptetition
The question | why is not anyone else doing stuff that way ? is on the Table…
The answer is in the construction codes - construction codes have not only the intended effect - to create a handbook how you do stuff. But also a dark side - they freeze the regulated field to the status of their implementation and “stop innovation completly”. Innovation is “not code conform” either you build “in code” or you “innovate” you can not have it both yust like you can not put corners on a circle .
And here is the tragic of the concrete canoe event. Young engineers ( second semester) are empowered to check out for themselfes “what you could possibly do with cement” and when they find what they could really do - they are told… so that is enough of freedom - you are third semester now and from now on we do “code conform” means everybody builds colums and slabs only and every single time.
As you know seasteading offers a way out of that gridlock | the ocean is jurisdiction free space landcodes do not apply | so you can do stuff different | on many levels |
oceanic business which codes do / do not apply | joe qurik | wilfried ellmer | on oceanic law and freedom |
status: projects over | sistematic sourcing was explored | placing yourself on the map for b2b deals with big and serious providers ( getting a quote as end result of a b2b process ) | preliminary talks › status: no green light |
The argument was made, that a provider like the cartagena petrochemical cluster, who more or less produces all the poliester resin that is used on the south american continent, ist not really answering your call for a quotation if you do not show up in a quick google search as somebody who will “dominate the caribbean resin market” in the next 3 years…
So it is of essence, to create a presence, and a narrative, to get favorable B2B deals in the resin supply market. Project RU8564-Resin was testing the waters and found 240 people vaguely interested in doing business… ( a upgrade of the sourcing pipeline development effort with a € 453 budget per month was suggested ) - declined -
you expressed doubt that “inbound marketing” for provider connect - is necessary and convenient
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• bus windows | the case for bus windows examples |
| the case for bus windows | design principle - ballast - window room - reserve bouyancy › sinking excluded
| underwater windows design bases | a smart design bluprint | a mini underwater room we can build in a day and sell thousends of times, with good imediate return on investment › making seasteading sustainable | background question: how big needs a “seasteading product” to be ? |
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• concrete spar solution on a 103 K budget
Baseline a hull of 200 tons of displacement
My offer is : | underwater-room | I offer a 34 m long tube of 2m diameter with a 6m spherical underwater room ( 200 cubic meter of displacement ) at a price of of USD 103 K - to get a mounting point for a seapod in deep water. | I expect building something compareable in steel needs a budget 4 times bigger |
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• barge project
The usefulness of a barge collecting and delivering stuff was discussed | a viable budget was discussed | semisubmerged load / unload was discussed as an option |
status: | we might look for a suitable barge |
question: how do you want to proceed ? | looks like gustavo is handling a barge project |
basket style construction (eventually bamboo) is cheap and fast
I would accept a prototype project on a 100k budget level to start inmediatly
project objective: something that looks and feels just equal to the existing seapod on a much lower budget - driven by “different (easier) construction technology” | no expensive molded fiber technology |
• san jose salvage | the state framework | the token | the upfront sum | the business structure |
status : careful when dealing with the state - but why not / (it is just not exactly my wheelhouse…)
| nautilus token | san jose token |
status: the government changed, the incomming president is occupied to bring colombia where venezuela is right now - the people are clearly resisting - a similar situation as in brazil - the country is focused on other topics than a " shipwreck"…so i assume a big chunk of the cargo will simply disapear and nobody knows where it has gone… when the attention comes back to the san jose…and its 17 billion usd treasure…
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• personal branding project
status:
doing some stuff on a voluntary basis - mostly building up the project files so we get a better feedback when contacting potential providers ( the providers google you up on internet and decide if it is “worth their time” to respond your request ) it is convenient to give the impression that “there is a mayor project going on in linton bay” where the request comes from …
This "upgrading of the internet footprint " is convenient on many levels | investor talks | provider talks | customer talks | - all those "check on your footprint " to get a clear picture who you are and what you stand for before talking to you…
workbasis:
see what you get do more if you like it…
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• narrative management project
| media is putting out a narrative of “the guy who is required for killing by the thai king” and “the desaster voyage of satoshi”…
need to ask the questions:
to what point is it convenient | what is the alternative narrative | how do we get there | will mass media ever cooperate with a favorable seasteading narrative or go just for their stupid “sensation story” every single time…
how can you gradually change the narrative
the role of the search engines to blurr the media narrative
how do we get there in a practical way
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• strategic cooperation
i am looking for deepening and widening our strategic cooperation on many levels…
I run my operation on a token based resource allocation model
tzu739hlg032 • medical seasteading token • oceanic business alliance™ |
This list is only a “suggestion list” of tokens that are available and already established.
The obvious canditates for a cooperation with ocean builders are the real estate token, the clubbing platform token, the nemo token, the nautilus token … or a new token code along a yet to write up whitepaper …
from my side i want to explore a range of topics beyond that…
Kindest Regards | Wilfried Ellmer |
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• emerald projects
| safe value store | no fiat | no big brother | no inflation | crisis comes - you smile | your assets are safe |
yacht emerald service
silicone valley connection emerald service
investor emerald service
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• product pipeline
beyond the “star project” seapod / ecopod
what else can be built and sold with a fast return on investment
a constant revenue stream of stuff selling on a dayly base would be great
small floating platforms for all kind of use come to mind
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• linton bay yacht service cluster
marine services
marine socializing hub
monaco in the caribbean
strategy | marketing | and implementation of floating infrastructure | in the next 5 years
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• linton bay yacht yacht event floating platform
strategy | marketing | and implementation of floating infrastructure | in the next 5 years
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• building the nautilus
strategy | marketing | and implementation of floating infrastructure | in the next 5 years
captain nemo oceanic lifestyle
business model nautilus
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• me moving to linton bay taking care of stuff
| inauguration visit 22 |
in general terms i am open for exploring the possibility to bring my technology know how and internet presence into the linton bay project | please contact info@tolimared.com and start a conversation |
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• linton bay moving to cartagena opening a branch office
by now you have a better perception why the industrial center of the caribbean is cartagena and not in panama - so you might ask yourself if it would not be convenient to branch out to cartagena…
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• advanced cement composite shells
advanced cement composite technology | light shell building | concrete canoe competition | a cement composite shell is literally undistingishable from a resin shell | new building technologies that open the the door to seasteading | solving the ocean colonization technology bottleneck |
| floating rock | advanced cement composite | seasteading |
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• building the floating building site
| at the moment you have a land based hangar and production site |
• it would definitly “make the point” to investors and skeptics if at least part of the production would be floating on the water surface showcasing the seasteading vision in practice…
| mix design | agregates in 3 groups | rebar in saltwater ambients | deforming | additives | prestressed concrete | steel forms | freeforming | light building vs of the shelf concrete building | laminated cement building methods |
context: possibility of me comming to linton bay seasteading hub (point 16)
posible roles: advisor, mentor, technology tranfer, etc…anything is on the table ( contact info@tolimared.com - start a conversation |
