| Seasteading | Carnival Vista | BOKA Vanguard | laws apply | EEZ | political paradigm | classification societies |


context:

| national law at sea | EEZ zones | freedom of the seas | the cannon shot doctrine | UN pretending sea zoning | UNCLOS | is the freedom of the seas divided in zones | should seasteads go for the nation state model | nation state vs global cooperation network | asian sandwars | liquid real estate | floating real estate paradigm shift |


70% of the planet surface business is run state and border free.


Thanks @leandroman - a very impressive video !

It shows how the concepts of ships, drydocks, and afloat repair solutions will merge and evolve to something DIFFERENT that implies working living and staying at sea permanently ( which is the core definition of “seasteading” ) …

• If the land government running the shore in the background would present interference the two units just would agree to have their business in another part of the ocean …

This is all how “political” and “state defiant” the business of ocean colonization needs to get.

• The land government is ok with that as Carnival pays for the tugboats (jobs for local people) and accepts the presence of an “observer” from the “local harbor captains office” who has an eye on oil spills (which is the legitimate interest of the coast) - that is the “dayly accepted practice” as we speak.

• Technical aspects are not regulated by the land government but by | ABS | Lloyds | or another of the 50 classification societies the ships operate under. Those are bodies (private firms) that supply “ruling code” for their customers on an opt in base . (Their customers are the ship operators and the insurance companies) - States as we know it on land - are simply obsolete and not necessary … this is not the future - it is the PRESENT - people who are not in marine business just don´t know that yet.

• 70% of the planet surface is already under a “state free operating sistem” based on free opt in decisions.

• This sistem was not implemented by anybodies military and police - it implemented itself on base of needs and service conveniently supplied and interchanged for all involved parties.

context: floating ship repair and service infrastructure


Somebody said:
• But the laws of the country under which flag the vessel is registered applies to the vessel itself and the inhabitants/passengers?

@nautilusmaker answered :


In marine business practice not much… .

This manouver is actually a very good example to explain the underlaying “political mechanics”.

• Boka Vanguard is flagged Curacao which is a “Dutch overseas territory” on paper (but actually situated spit distance from the coast of Venezuela.)

• Carnival Vista is flagged Panama.

• The Manouver is taking place in Grand Bahama territorial waters inside the 12 mile EEZ.

Now ask yourself the following questions

• Which laws apply for each ship?

• Which law for the manouver site?

• Which legal code is applied when one ship is stapled on the other, and which when they float independently ?

As you easyly see none of those national laws can be applied here, or shere chaos of “conflicting jurisdictions” would break loose.

The only practical solution is : A insurance company holds the overall oversight and puts a recoginzed ABS expert in charge of the manouver. All states laws and codes are “renderd irrelevant” for pure practical reasons.

Take my word for it ( my group organizes that kind of business in the bay of Cartagena - so i know for sure )

• Neither has the Captain of Boka Vanguard a law book from Holland on his book shelf (nor does he speak Dutch)

• Nor has the Captain of Carnival Vista one from Panama (nor does he speak spanish)

• None of them has a law book of Grand Bahamas, and none of them speaks the local dialect of Grand Bahamas (which is Grand Bahamian Creole) either.

So in this Babylonian language, law, and code confusion - what is the code everybody acts along to make it happen friction free ?

• ABS rule code on the technical level

• The freedom of the seas on a politcal level

( The freedom of the seas is a customary come along which demands “non interference” as long as the “ugly 4” are not touched by the activity - terror, resource theft, spill, activity rejected by mankind - National rule sets that pretend to regulate the seas beyond that, are considered dead law due to no feasibility by default. )

So if legal papermousing appearently finds at least 4 national law codes relevant in theory - Marine practice renders all of them unapplyable and therefore irrelevant to the point that simply nobody cares about them.

From practice i can say that no Thai, Bahamian, Panama, Dutch - warship will show up to “enforce national rule sets”, arrest the captains, and declare their activity a threat to the integrity of the state, and sentence everybody to death, as it happend to Chad Elwartowski in Thailand.

So what do we learn from that to cast a feasible seasteading strategy ?

• Non of those captains is declaring a “quasi state” or a “territory” on forums or in Press.

They just do their thing unmolested by default, under the umbrella of the freedom of the seas, convenient come along in marine practice, good business terms, and cooperative neighborhood behavior.

Everybody who shows up with a floating platform that is useful, is accepted as player in oceanic business with a legitimate interest.

It is about business networking, and convenience, not about states and enforcement on base of a backward looking “national state paradigm” that was flawed already in the 19. century when it came up.


And this is where the “traditional seasteading discussion” runs with a complete wrong base paradigm…



context: asian sandwars


context: Construction Activities During the 21st Century will be Dominated by Concrete Sea Structures | P.K.Mehta |


context: Oceanic Freedom • Emergent Law • Joe Quirk • Wilfried Ellmer

context:

Reddit | r/seasteading | The Push for “Regulation of the Oceans”