ok have a nice trip … 
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Hi Will,
Just to tell you that I am not back yet. In a few days I’ll be in Zagreb ready to work on my PC, so we can proceed.
I am not sure if there will be more than $50 this month, however. Perhaps we can discuss one one or two questions, and then go on we established the next month, what do you think?
Hello Andrej
Great to hear from you / the $50 month is ok for me.
I was thinking that we might offer a “managed floating building site in croatia” for people who want to invest in a submarine yacht.
The russian yacht owners whose mega yacht business headquarters was seized by “authorities” must all be lookig for better ways to live and work on the ocean while running their global business empires interference free.
The captain nemo lifestyle does this to a degree that a surface yacht does not yet offer.
So some of those people might be on a point where they are “ready to go and wire the money” if only somebody would offer a floating building site “somewhere in the mediterranean”.
The usual shipyards where megayachts are built are all “succeptible to seizure” as we have seen.
So we might be on the right spot in time with the right offer and just need to implement it.
Croatia and its coastline, might be just the right place, and internet might be just the right medium, to communicate that offer to the right people who are “ready for it” and want to “go galt” and implement “oceanic freedom” seriously.
Your private submarine might easyly take shape as a little side project, embedded in a bigger floating building project, that you oversee as site manager.
It might be fueled by funds that you earn as salary for running the site.
You might live in a floating home on the building site - with no land property involved into the project at all.
let me hear your thoughts…
Kindest Regards
Wilfried Ellmer
It is a great idea for an enterprise. I am thinking about it.
For now, learning techniques to build a submarine for my project is still a priority. I am not there yet as far as resources/ autonomy / personal situatiom is concerned, and going into a commercial business seems a bit more remote. (Not in a relatively near future, such as within a year or two)
However, i’d be interested to hear more about the concept and what it would take to realize it.
If someone were willing to be a pioneer investor like you imagine, and the money would cover the entire logistics, that would expedite things, of course. Yet there is the issue of whether they would pay someone with zero experience to do it. Perhaps not. Acquiring some skill first in a personal project might make sense, having something to show that I have been properly taught. I would also like to have a clearer image of legal issues we might encounter, such as related to an unregistered income, taxes, etc. My fear is that Croatia isn’t such a safe haven as it might appear…
Andrej,
For now the only thing required is your ok to explore such a project.
Because if you would not do it in case the opportunity arises - it makes little sense to offer the options to potential owners.
If you have age 18 ( how old are you ? ) anything needed seems to be ok.
Your english is good, your domain of internet also, your residence in croatia .
The financial autonomy and framework has to come from the project itself - that is kind of self evident.
It can not be asked from you to provide any kind of infrastructure or financial ramp up.
The skill set would come from me with the claim … have been there … have done that… will mentoring the build.
That is the baseline.
So if we agree on that baseline so far,
lets talk legal issues…
Sure, I agree. I would like to explore this further. If this is indeed viable and something unpredictable doesn’t come to stop me in my tracks, I don’t see why not do it.
My age is still very young, (38y) my health is so-so, there have been surgeries and and dealing with a myriad of chronic issues, but generally I feel fit and capable of light to medium-heavy labor. I have rarely been on a boat (or owned anything larger than a kayak) but I don’t have sea-sickness or something along those lines and tolerate the climate well. Living afloat /seasteading is what I am set to do anyway, so why not do it sooner and be paid… Of course, one thing is that I can’t risk to work somewhere so remote that I can’t do my check-ups or reach medical aid within few days at least if something comes up, I need to be mindful of that… Well, that about sums up my condition.
Ok, step one would be to to float the offer out on the internet and see what kind of response we get.
The possibility of something undpredictable is always on the table.
Therefore i suggest to structure the project in steps, and tokenize it.
The step 1 token would be “getting a permit with a permit number”
My primary thought would be to get an old fishing boat that already has a number and do a " refurbish project " with a possible “permit adaption” when the project starts to grow.
In this first phase it would be about “establishing a building site on the anchor place” and do some " internal build out " as many boat owners do… while living on the boat…
The key would be to keep the " disturbance factor low " for the neighbors - the more a secluded carst bay you can get - the better.
A possible setup how such a thing could look like is in the picture above…
It is obvious that this kind of floating building is even done inside of yacht marinas on many places - so getting a permit should not be terribly complicated.
After closing everything with vinyl over a frame of construction staging elements, you would just rip out anything from the boat, make a nice living space where you can live in comfort during the construction in standard drywall over the empty hull and then take it from there...
The token whitepaper would say : establish a floating building site on base of an old fishing boat close the site with vinyl and establish a office and living quarters.
During that phase you recieve your agreed amount of tokens over paypal every month and report how those tokens convert into a building site with text and pictures to the customer.
If phase 1 comes to a good end phase 2 is on the table.
Doses that look feasible to you so far ?
The practical part should be simple enough.
I have done a brief check of the law and couldn’t find anything on adaptation permit… Modifications that significantly change displacement or type of engine are the only ones mentioned.
As I understand, this step would involve basically raising a ‘tent’ on top of a boat to serve as living /working space. It doesn’t look like it should invite problems, but I’ll look further, perhaps ask on some forums.
What do you think should be the minimal size of the vessel? I would like to estimate the cost. I am also wondering how small one can start.
If I am following, the concrete mixing would start on the boat. It seems like it would be practical to build ‘cells’ of floating concrete on the boat, then clamp them together with mortar in the water to grow the platform…
(yes, I know it is not what you recommend for a curved structure, but what about a straight one?)
hello andrej
I suggest we offer a "croatia submarine yacht building token"
token code:
“anp638suy634”
This is a combination of letters and numbers that brings up nothing on the search engine at the moment. When i am done with promoting typing in that code will bring up EVERYTHING about submarine yacht building with Andrej Peric in Croatia.
I offer to promote that token over my network - so russian oligarchs with their yachts seized can find what we offer on the search engines.
The idea is that everybody who searches stuff like
" non seizure yacht "
" global mobile captain nemo yacht "
" submarine luxury yacht "
Will find our offer - and contact us for further talks…
There will be a minimum amount of tokens that a customer needs to upfront to bring the project trough phase A " floating building site ramp up"
It makes sense to have a special "building site ramp up token" to set the costs for the site and the submarine properly apart...
“anp638suy634” (A)
To start you should have some thoughts about what is the montly salary you want to recieve to manage the site.
Also what you estimate as cost for purchasing the boat for getting started
Then what you estimate for travel and logistics costs to get the necessary stuff done.
Ok, let’s go for it then. Perhaps an oligarch or two may come our way… 
The order for your 200ton sub in Colombia shows that some interest does already exist. Have there been more inquiries, I wonder?
As I understand, if I were to open a ‘Mediterranean branch’ of this venture I would be working ‘for a foreign company’ and my salary would be classified as ‘an additional income’ for which I could only file taxes and that is all. Is that basically the only thing I should worry about, legally?
Thinking about the costs and basic requirements - your help will be needed for that of course. Here are some things to address:
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the skipper permit. I don’t have one. For the purpose of floating construction not far from coast the B category should suffice, this is around 120€. This permit applies to within 12 nautical miles from the coast (territorial waters). Going further requires ‘C’ which is a ‘professional one’ and costs 1000€. What is your advice regarding this, are there reasons to aim for the latter at this point or not?
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the boat. Given the experience you will have a better idea of how much size is needed to start. My idea for a floating living quarters is be something like this:
This is a used wooden boat, 8x2.30 m, of the lowest price I could find for this size - 10000€. What do you think?
As for the salary and logistics, we need to proceed with our practical discussion for me to start making estimates (work-hours, equipment, materials, etc.)
That sounds all good - so let´s move that forward…
Step one is to engage that yacht billionaire in internet and get him to fund a project.
The communication line is, this is a spin-off of the original @nautilusmaker project in the mediterranian…
Any pointers on what should I do on my end? (where to promote, should I circulate the idea on some forums, or open a website, etc. And if so, what would be some essential things to mention (or not to mention), and so on.
You should have thoughts about what is your
"elevator pitch" | the short talk you would give in a few seconds during an elevator ride with an investor to make your argument…
forums, website, whatever you see fit…
I will do what i can on my end - we might learn stuff in the process …
Ok, I’ll see what I can do then…
Hello Wil,
Sorry about the long ‘inactivity’.
That is because I didn’t have anything finished yet.
So, here are some updates…
The project still stands. The situation regarding my ability to do any practical work remains unchanged at this point, so it is all in the theoretical phase. Based on my original motivations as well as the topics /issues that we talked about or mentioned, I came up with an essay /report which I put on the website: https://diybiostasis.wordpress.com/ . I think the PDF version looks better: https://drive.google.com/file/d/19FBc0KVYWkOo9msrjtIY-HhAFDC8b86H/view?usp=sharing
It is not really a promotion or “sales pitch” page, but a “background”, a resource for people who may want to see “arguments” as to why this could work and how it fits in the overall context of things. I outline different purposes, opportunities, perspectives.
I’ve already posted the link and talked a bit about it on the forums and e-mail-lists where I used to be active (futurism, transhumanis, cryonics, etc). Cryonics niche seemed like a place to start because these people are not foreign to “unconventional”, the bulk of them are libertarians, mostly well-off and there are quite a few millionaires (silicon valley people, software, bitcoin), and of course we have corresponded before.
I am looking to expand the offer to other web places where I would focus just on the “submarine-yacht” concept and little else - taking note of such potential sites. If you have any ideas which niches might be favorable for this, please let me know.
How is it going on your side? Have you had any inquiries, or success in promotion?
That is basically all for now. I’ll notify you of my further efforts…
Regards,
Andrej
I forgot to mention that there has been some “practical” work after all. Behold my thin shell oceanic structure:
But this is just for laughs…